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[richb]

Hi Leif,

We'll we're here. What next ?

Hope all is going well for you and yours. That's life grounded! I read about the veterans group attempt to get people interested in impeaching Shrubby. We'll support that effort as well.

It seems likely that baring other members, our discussions will be short. The athiest and the heretic. From what I've gathered, we won't be arguing about much but you'll still be educating me.

Take care.

Rich

[Leif Erlingsson]

Hi Rich! Good to hear from you (and Laura)! I hope all is well with you as well. As for my beliefs at present -- I frankly don't know myself what they are. Heretic may be the correct label today, but the other one might also be correct depending on how you define things....
Quite a lot of people have browsed this site -- I see that from the server logs -- so hopefully people are thinking and perhaps will return to comment later. I know Diane from other sites, and I hope that she'll read & ponder + comment on the political / ethical subject matter in the text archive.
As I guess we have all figured out, those who lead believe that there is too much democracy and that real democracy is dangerous so they have set it up with a multitude of value-inversions so we are supposed to think that we have real democracy while their kind of "democracy" really means that their kind of rule rules. Think Orwell, and you'll be fine.
What we might discuss is who runs things best -- those who create endless wars to "feed the beast" or those who think of what serves man?
Is "the machine" (as in war machine, organized armies, factory assembly lines, etc) necessary for our survival or are there more life-grounded ways to organize society?
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Leif Erlingsson, Tullinge, Botkyrka, Sweden
A-TGSS (anti-totalt globalt slav samhälle / Anti-Total Global Slave Society)

[Chuck in ND]

Will you mind if a believer steps in? I'm married to an agnostic (former LDS)--does that count?

As for your comments on democracy--I'm composing an answer, will maybe post later when I have more time (like that ever happens! LOL)
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"Those who are compelled to fight for their freedom are not free." www.mothersagainstthedraft.org

[Leif Erlingsson]

Dear "Chuck", I am really glad that you are here! I very much appreciate your points of view, I hope that you know that. l'lI enjoy reading your comments & thoughts. And if you can trick that husband of yours to join us here, I'd be even happier -- I really enjoy his points of view also. You wrote that he is a former LDS -- did he formally leave the LDS Church? (You can answer that one in private, if you like.)
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Leif Erlingsson, Tullinge, Botkyrka, Sweden
A-TGSS (anti-totalt globalt slav samhälle / Anti-Total Global Slave Society)

[Chuck in ND]

Trick him? Oh I don't think so. Bribe him, maybe. He has just submitted a column that should appear in Sunday's paper. I'll post it if you like, once it's published.

Dh is still on the rolls church. However a couple leaders have said he should be ex'd and he has said he would not contest such an action. While he has deep philosophical differences with church doctrine and practices, he harbors no animosity or ill-will towards the church or its members (except for perhaps Pres. Hinckley for his statements on the war ). He wants ds's to be raised in the church, postponing any major decisions (whether to follow dad's in footsteps or not) until they are adults and have more experience and a wider frame of reference.
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"Those who are compelled to fight for their freedom are not free." www.mothersagainstthedraft.org

[Leif Erlingsson]

"Those who are compelled to fight for their freedom are not free." www.mothersagainstthedraft.org

That's an interesting reply to the old quote about not deserving freedom unless willing to fight...

In any case, I wanted to share this:
``Leif Erlingsson and Military Families SPEAK OUT ( http://mfso.org/ ) supporting
the troops in Stockholm, Sweden March 19, 2005'':

http://life.lege.net/images/content/supporting_the_troops.jpg
It's me and Judy Linehan from Military Families Speak Out marching together.

Leif Erlingsson